Finally an honest homosexual advocate

Dr. Mohler posted an entry to his blog today entitled Homosexuality and the Bible — The Rejectionist Approach. He is reviewing an article published in Commonweal magazine written by Luke Timothy Johnson. Johnson serves as Robert R. Woodruff Professor of New Testament at the Candler School of Theology at Emory University.

In the article Mohler sums up Johnson’s argument this way. “He (Johnson) argues that those who believe that the Bible’s clear condemnations of homosexual behaviors are still authoritative for Christians do so only out of fear or a lack of understanding of homosexuality itself. As he explains later in his essay, he has grown by experience to overcome this fear and ignorance. He now believes that the Bible is simply wrong.”

Johnson also says “I think it important to state clearly that we do, in fact, reject the straightforward commands of Scripture, and appeal instead to another authority when we declare that same-sex unions can be holy and good. And what exactly is that authority? We appeal explicitly to the weight of our own experience and the experience thousands of others have witnessed to, which tells us that to claim our own sexual orientation is in fact to accept the way in which God has created us. By so doing, we explicitly reject as well the premises of the scriptural statements condemning homosexuality–namely, that it is a vice freely chosen, a symptom of human corruption, and disobedience to God’s created order.

Now that is an honest statement. Johnson admits that there is a higher authority than God in his opinion. That higher authority is personal experience. One quick question…if the Bible is to be interpreted through our personal experience then how can it make any absolute assertions? By this I mean that if my experience leads me to believe the Bible teaches on thing and someone else’s experience leads them to believe the Bible teaches the opposite who is right? This simply leads to chaos.

The Creator is very clear in His inerrant, infallible, perfect Word that homosexuality is a sin. The only way around that is to reject the Bible. Johnson has done that and at least he is honest enough to say so. I can respect his honesty but not his position on this.

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7 Responses to Finally an honest homosexual advocate

  1. Nigel Bruce says:

    The Bible is also clear that the penalty for homosexuality is death. Just as the penalty for adultery and for chidlren cusring their parents is also prescribed by God in the Bible – death. The Bible also says that you shouldn’t wear clothing made from mixed fabrics or eat shellfish. Do you also agree with any of this? I doubt it. Like all Christians you take from the Bible passages which ‘justify’ your prejudices and ignore the rest at your convenience.

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  2. Tom says:

    Context is important Nigel….please site chapter and verse of the things you mention and we can discuss them.

    Yes, the Bible clearly teaches the the penalty for all sin is death. I just wrote a post on this in the last couple days entitled “What are the consequences of Sin?”. It is not prejudice to proclaim the truth as taught to us from the Bible. It all comes down to who is the final authority – God or us. God is. The sooner we as individuals accept this the happier we will be.

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  3. Nigel Bruce says:

    My point is that you don’t proclaim the truth as it is taught in the Bible. You selectively lift from the Bible those passages which suit your agenda. It’s strange to hear a fundamentalist talk about the importance of ‘context’ to meaning. What about the importance of historical and cultural context?

    You’re not chosing between God and your own own views. You’re chosing to ascribe your views to God. Most Christians are completely ignorant of what is in the Bible. If they knew and read the injunctions against homosexuality within the context of the whole of the insane ramblings that is Leviticus they would see what nonsense it really is.

    These passages are clearly NOT saying that the penalty for sin is ‘death’ in the sense that though you will die a natural death you will not be re-born and united with God. They passages are clearly God instructing men to kill one another for these ‘crimes’. You seem to admire people who are honest in their views. In which case the only fundamentalist Christian I admire is the Rev Phelps and the good people of the Westboro Baptist Church. At least they are honest and consistent in their views.

    Leviticus 20:9
    For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

    20:10
    And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

    20:13
    If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

    Deuteronomy 22:11
    Thou shalt not wear a garment of diverse sorts, as of woollen and linen together. [fortunately no death penalty for this trangression].

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  4. Tom says:

    First, do NOT attempt to associate me with that wacko Fred Phelps. He will answer for his sins on judgment day.

    Context….Chapters 18 and 19 of Leviticus set forth various Laws that God is giving to His people. Chapter 20 gives the punishment for those who choose to break those laws. These punishments are for those who are under the Law…fortunately for us we are no longer under the Law but are now under Grace.

    Context…..Deuteronomy 22:11 is a specific command in response to specific actions taken by idolatrous priests. They wore garments made of mixed fibers. The lesson here is that God did not want His people to be like the idolatrous priests in any way – not even in their appearance.

    Now, I do not use Leviticus as my primary source for my position that homosexuality is a sin. Romans 1:24-28 say “Romans 1:24-28 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, (25) because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. (26) For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; (27) and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. (28) And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.”

    Romans 6:23 says “For the wages of sin is death”. This does not necessarily mean an immediate physical death. But it does mean a spiritual death and and eternity separated from God. Since we now know that homosexuality is a sin (God called it an abomination) then we know that those who practice it are sinners and unless they repent of these sins they will spend eternity in Hell.

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  5. john roberts says:

    if homosexuality is a sin, what is the essence of the spirit of homosexuality that it would come against the spirit of christ, the fruit of the spirit, and loving your neighbor as you love yourself.

    the spirit of christ,the life, the truth, and the way.

    the fruit of the spirit the essence produced by integration with the spirit

    love your neighbor as……
    the essence of which all laws can be summed up.

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  6. Tom says:

    John,

    I am not sure I completely understand your comment. Please clarify. If you are asking what makes homosexuality a sin then that is easy…it is a sin because the Creator of the universe says it is. There is no “if” to it. It simply “is”.

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  7. john says:

    essence of murder:the premedetative taking a man’s life in oppositon to the person’s will for personnal gain, places personal gain above loving ones neighbor, kills love. unites with powers and principalites that are against the life, the truth, and the way

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