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Obama’s Plans Refuted In “Wizard of Id” Cartoon

Posted in Government, Politics by Tom Shelton on November 12, 2008

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Is that question above his pay-grade also?

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  1. Doug said, on November 12, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    This cartoon would be funny if it actually had any basis in FACT! If anyone believes that Obama is offering free health care, clothing, etc.. they surely have no idea of what the man is really about. Truly socialists societies laugh at our ignorant labelling of Obama as a “socialist”!

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  2. Tom Shelton said, on November 12, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    That may be the case Doug but the fact is that Obama has been promising everything to everybody. That is why the cartoon is so funny.

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  3. Sue said, on November 13, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    This cartoon could actually be more FACT than FICTION! There is an organization that has a plan to provide free food, housing and health care to ALL.

    And the answer to the little blurb “…then what do we need jobs for”.

    People will still need money to buy cars, TV’s, vacations, etc. Greed and capitalism will still flourish (that’s human nature)! :-)

    But just imagine….what if your housing was paid for…your food was paid for (just healthy food, if you want M&M’s you’ll have to buy them yourself), what if your health care was totally paid for?

    Can you just imagine the stress relief? Can you imagine how much more money would be available from each of your pay checks to BUY STUFF (ie stimulate the economy)

    The plan WILL WORK! And if enough people can just unite together and get this plan in front of our New President Elect…then just maybe we can have a chance for peace and equality in this world.

    Relieve the stress of survival…and people will find HAPPINESS!

    Check out the PLAN at http://wwunited.org

    May there ONE DAY truly be: NO POOR AMONG US!

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    • Skevvy said, on March 4, 2009 at 7:31 pm

      If my food, housing, health care was paid for by whom?

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    • Skevvy said, on March 4, 2009 at 7:34 pm

      Imagine we ALL live in Cuba

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      • Tom Shelton said, on March 4, 2009 at 8:18 pm

        Cuba: You mean that utopian island paradise that stands as an example of everything we can be if we just keep instituting Obama’s agenda. :-)

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        • Skevvy said, on March 4, 2009 at 8:50 pm

          That’s the one. Now, imagine we are all driving 2009 model Ford automobiles . . . in the year 2057!!

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  4. Julie said, on November 13, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    People fail to realize that “working by the sweat of one’s brow (or pain in childbirth)” was a “CURSE”!

    Which of your children did you create to go without clean water, shelter, food or die from a curable disease but for the want of accessible, affordable (is there such a thing?) health care?

    Or to be slaughtered and your body left by the side of the road to rot for your children to view daily?

    We need to be more compassionate to ALL people of the world.

    What does it mean to “do unto others as you would have them to unto you”….if YOU were in the same situation—if not provide the basic necessities for free?

    Isn’t that what Christ say when he said, “feed the hungry, clothe the naked…” etc?

    How can any of us be truly happy as long as any child sleeps without a shelter from the elements, or enjoy three meals a day?

    Go Worldwide United Foundation!!

    (PS to the moderator…you’re welcomed to c/p this to your theology site)

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  5. Tom Shelton said, on November 13, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Sue,

    Sounds great. I have not yet looked at the website but I will soon. In the meantime, I wanted to mention that there is just one small problem with this scenario. Someone has to provide the housing, someone has to produce the food, someone has to provide the healthcare and those people are going to want to be paid for their efforts. Where does that money come from? Your probably would say that the people could pay higher taxes since they are not spending the money for these things. If that is your answer, then people are actually paying for these things…just not directly.

    The other obvious problem is that the people will no longer be willing to work more than what is needed to provide for their wants…since their needs are all covered. This will destroy productivity and the initiative that Americans are known for. We can’t let that happen.

    I am sure that once I look at the website I will find many other areas that are a problem and if I have time I will comment on them as well.

    Thanks for visiting my blog.

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  6. Monica said, on November 13, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    I have to agree with Sue.

    I read the plan at wwunited.org and believe it could work. If everyone’s needs were met, people would be able to do “other things,” like go on vacation, buy a big screen TV, or a new car. Some may not want to have a job at first, but once their expendable cash ran out, they would be WANTING to work so they could get more money to buy the things they want.

    The economy would flourish!! And employers would treat their employees better because they would know that the people would not HAVE to work, but are there by choice. PLUS, employees would be better workers, because they could choose the job they WANT.

    As a result of “hope” (and actual capital and ACTION to back it–free food and shelter for instance) being injected into society, terrorism would decrease, as would poverty, obesity, hatred, and more.

    It CAN BE DONE!

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    • MO said, on March 10, 2009 at 10:25 pm

      You are living in a dream world. It’s been tried throughout the twentieth century and has failed spectacularly EVERY time.

      Why do you people have so much hubris that you think you can perform what others have failed at?

      Ask yourself (if you are a christian) did christ say;

      “PAY TAXES TO CAESAR SO THAT HE MAY GIVE TO OTHERS AND THEN YOU DON’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT AND CAN TAKE A VACATION AND BUY A BIG SCREEN TV!”

      Why would people ever want to work harder when there is such a high baseline? Why do you think socialism fails? There is NO motivation for the innovative people in this country that create wealth and jobs and well being ALL AROUND THE WORLD.

      If you take that motivation away is it going to REALLY make your life better? no longer will you be self dependant you will have to depend on the kindness of an omnipotent GOVERNMENT! How the hell is that a good thing?

      When has an omnipotent government ever produced good? It’s PEOPLE and INDIVIDUALS that create the greatest good in the world not government. Government is the problem, NOT THE SOLUTION!

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  7. Tom Shelton said, on November 13, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Monica,

    I would love for you and Sue to be right but you are not. It would not work like you say it would. To be sure, there would be some who would do exactly what you have described but the masses would simple sit back and demand that they be given these things be given to them as well.

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  8. Sue said, on November 13, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Tom, your question about money is the first one that always comes up. You’ll find the answer to it on the website. :-)

    Ask yourself…where did/does the US come up with all the money to pay for this war that’s been going on for several years now, and most likely for several more? Have your taxes gone up?

    You stated, “…people will no longer be willing to work more than what is needed to provide for their wants…”

    Peoples “wants” are HUGE! And as they realize the struggle to survive paycheck to paycheck is over…they will be able to dream again…and their “want” list will only increase.

    What if I “want” a luxury vehicle that would cost me $800 a month to lease? Well that’s way less than my rent payment. And if I knew my housing was secure I could now afford it. How cool would it be to make my dream of “wanting” a luxury car a reality? Wouldn’t I want to keep working so that I could fulfill my “dream” ?

    Monica is right…the economy will flourish! The American Dream will keep people motivated.

    No more stress…no more fear…just knowing that no matter what happens, you and your family will always have the necessities of life!

    Visit the website…your questions will be answered.

    You can visit the WUF Yahoo Group to participate in a discussion there as well. I’ve posted a link to the cartoon, and your blog.

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/worldwideunitedfoundation/

    So if you do indeed “find problems” with the plan…that would be the place to discuss it. :-)

    Best Regards,

    Sue

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  9. Jon-Michael DeBona said, on November 14, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    Sue, how is all this working over in the Soviet Union? Can you give us an update? I haven’t heard anything in 20 years, so I guess it is working great.

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  10. Dave Williams said, on November 14, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    ****COMMENT EDITED BY TOM…..INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED*****

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  11. Aaron said, on November 15, 2008 at 1:00 am

    “Isn’t that what Christ say when he said, “feed the hungry, clothe the naked…” etc?”

    Yes, people are supposed to help each other out. No where does it say Jesus supports the government seizing property by force and redistributing it.

    Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.

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    • MO said, on March 10, 2009 at 10:29 pm

      Precisely,

      If we remove the act of giving from individuals to the omnipotent government, people stop caring about each other.

      This also has happened in EVERY socialist/communist society. It doesn’t work, get over it. Work hard and produce for yourself and then if you WANT give all your extra above what you need to those who need more. There are rich capitalists who have chosen of their own free will to do so.

      But free will isn’t enough for you socialists, you want to steal from everyone and let the government decide who is the neediest.

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  12. Bob said, on November 18, 2008 at 8:19 am

    I am afraid that Sue and Monica have ungrounded ideals, and a huge hole in what they perceive is possible. Let’s start with the fundamentals, as Tom alluded to: if all of the basics are provided, someone has to work to provide the basics. So let’s assume that Joe The Plumber is provided with his “free” necessities. Someone DOES have to pay for them, so it’s either going to be the first thing that Joe is taxed on, or it is going to be shouldered by “everyone else”. But Joe is one of the citizens, and thus the template for all is: all of your income is taxed until you pay for your free necessities, then you are taxed until you pay for your share of support of free necessities for all other people who have not made enough money to pay for their own. Then you have some disposable income to buy M&Ms. Oh, but wait — don’t forget to add taxes to pay for the government staff and organizations that are operating this free program. So who wants to sit in the park and wait for their next meal and who wants to work?

    One more comment to Julie and Aaron: what you speak of with credit to Christ was towards those who could not provide for themselves. But don’t forget that He said that the poor will always be with us. And Proverbs says many times in many ways that if a man will not work, he shall not eat.

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  13. JR said, on November 28, 2008 at 9:40 am

    It’s amazing how people laughed at the Bush jokes regardless of whether or not they were factual. Obama’s your new president, and he and Biden will be the new faces you see in comic strips. Get used to it.

    I think the strip is hilarious and totally pin points how he has been promising the world to everyone, which raises the question…

    If everyone is going to be covered regardless of whether they work or not, then why work? Or at least…why aspire to be anything more than what you are?

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  14. tompccs said, on December 4, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    People aspire to a little more than minimum food, clothing and healthcare. Those aspirations are the incentive.

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  15. ChrisK said, on December 30, 2008 at 8:28 am

    What our government has effectively done is make slaves of its people through handouts. Where is the pride in working a day’s work, and being responsible for ones debt?

    The idea that housing should be free presents a problem. I want the six bedroom house with the swimming pool, and I’m sure so does everyone else. Who is going to end up with the mobile home? And we want housing to be free so we have money to spend on expensive cars and big screen TVs? Good grief! I remember a time when my husband and I were so poor we didn’t have a TV! Oh my gosh! We actually had to spend time together as a family, playing board games, reading books, just talking.

    Government was not designed by our forefathers to be our sugar daddy.

    Be free from the love of money and pleased with the things which you have; for he himself has said, I will be with you at all times. – Hebrews 13:5

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  16. Maxwell Smart said, on February 23, 2009 at 10:14 am

    He’s proving to be exactly what we were worried he would be and after reading some of the responses written by the kool-aid drinking liberals here, I feel like I need a shower.

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    • Tom Shelton said, on February 23, 2009 at 12:55 pm

      Maxwell,

      Worse, I think. Obama is running as far left as he can as fast as he can get there. He is trying to socialize our country. It is sad really because the greatness of our country is being destroyed in the process.

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    • MO said, on March 10, 2009 at 10:33 pm

      You are right Maxwell:

      “Ecclesiastes 1:8-10 (New International Version)

      8 All things are wearisome,
      more than one can say.
      The eye never has enough of seeing,
      nor the ear its fill of hearing.

      9 What has been will be again,
      what has been done will be done again;
      there is nothing new under the sun.

      10 Is there anything of which one can say,
      “Look! This is something new”?
      It was here already, long ago;
      it was here before our time.”

      Socialism has been tried before, even before Marx called it such. It’s failed every single time, yet these people have the hubris and “audacity” to think that they can succeed where others have failed.

      I think we (with common sense and historical knowledge) know that Obama will fail…

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  17. Bethany said, on February 26, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    What is being proposed by the world wide united foundation is more than just impractical, as has been pointed out, but is also not biblical! We are supposed to take care of those who need help as a community of believers, preferring and sacrificing for one another. But this plan is supposed to some how give everyone the right to go buy what they don’t need, so that they can be happier. Well, I gotta tell you folks, nice dreaming, but certainly not what Jesus taught!

    It’s that kind of thinking that has lead America into the sorry shape that it is in economically, politically, and ideologically! Hate to say it, but the American Dream was killed once the money that I worked for was taking away to be given to those who refuse to work!

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    • Tom Shelton said, on February 27, 2009 at 9:30 am

      Well said Bethany!

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  18. reality bites said, on March 12, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    It is interesting because when the pilgrims first came here they actually lived much like what is being proposed. They put all there produce in a community store and they all took what they “needed”. But soon they realized that some weren’t producing hardly anything and others were producing alot. This is when they decided each would keep the fruits of their own labor and barter for what they needed. Capitilism was born and works amazingly well, if government would not interfere and use our tax dollars for what they were intended….infrastructure, defense (or war as the protestors say), and other necessities. This is the true story of Thanksgiving….the birth of capitilism.

    Can I get cigarettes or alcohol in your fantasy free store? Cause I have lung cancer and bad liver and no one will give me health insurance…….

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  19. Rob Collier said, on March 13, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    It’s Funny
    The U.S Used to have some Slaves
    Then the U.S. got rid of Slavery
    Now we are gleefully giving up our rights
    so we can all be in slavery.

    I am old enough to know that I do not have long to live And I count this as a blessing. But I mourn for the next generations that may never know true freedom, And have to beg from the government for the scraps that are thrown them.

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  20. Ed Darrell said, on March 17, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    The idea that housing should be free presents a problem.

    Not part of anything Obama’s proposed. WWUnited has no connection with Obama, nor has the Obama administration offered any hint it even knows this group exists.

    Not that accuracy appears to be a concern here, but still . . .

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  21. em said, on May 16, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    “A government big enough to give you what you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.” ~ Gerald Ford

    And for me, the basic principle of what is wrong with all of Obama’s plans are the simple fact that he’s trying to take away our right to free agency. Our choice. Instead of citizens making their own decisions about how to spend their money, he’s making the decisions for us. Defend your right to choose.

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  22. Vanessa said, on July 7, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    I love the id and always will . It’s that part of the human character that can not be easily hidden .
    ha,ha,ha,ha,ha .

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